Today's Birthdays
There are no members with birthdays on this day.
Current Topics
Coronavirus: The Plague of The 21st Century?
by TatumAH - 12/07/21 03:31 PM
Winning
by chunkstyle - 12/07/21 02:18 PM
A Fungus Amungus
by logtroll - 12/07/21 01:54 PM
RoundTable For Fall 2021
by pdx rick - 12/07/21 02:50 AM
Pacific Northwest Weather
by TatumAH - 12/07/21 02:45 AM
lying on the internet
by jgw - 12/06/21 07:03 PM
The Mueller Report
by pdx rick - 12/06/21 06:30 PM
Beautiful, beautiful language...
by Greger - 12/06/21 05:04 PM
The US's future: The United States of Giiead
by pdx rick - 12/06/21 04:54 AM
What's for dinner?
by Greger - 12/05/21 11:14 PM
A Musical Quiz
by Ken Condon - 12/05/21 11:01 PM
The Drift, Thread Association Thread
by TatumAH - 12/05/21 04:17 PM
... doubt is our product...
by TatumAH - 12/04/21 08:13 PM
Denialism
by Greger - 12/03/21 03:37 PM
I’ll Buy That
by Greger - 12/01/21 07:22 PM
Boundaries for Facebook
by jgw - 11/30/21 06:26 PM
Republicans promise brutal revenge in 2022
by pdx rick - 11/27/21 08:45 PM
masks and vaccinations
by logtroll - 11/27/21 01:36 PM
Vigilantism - why isn’t it illegal?
by logtroll - 11/25/21 11:46 PM
Popular Topics(Views)
9,691,457 my own book page
4,788,353 We shall overcome
3,879,713 Campaign 2016
3,538,152 Trump's Trumpet
2,802,822 3 word story game
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 2 1 2
#337761 10/28/21 06:46 AM
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,150
Likes: 30
K
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,150
Likes: 30
So I guess we are all aware of the in production Alec Baldwin movie to be called Rust. And of course the misfortune that happened in the shooting…so to speak..,during the filming. Something seems very wrong here. I have been around firearms for a long part of my life and know how to use them. I am not a gun nut but I know quite a bit about them.

So I ask myself “how could what they call an armoror (is that how you spell it?) someone who is supposed to be in control of the safety, handling, and distribution of all the firearms used on a set let a hot loaded gun be handed to the actor Baldwin? This simply does not make sense. Either the armorers were profoundly negligent, or somebody deliberately loaded a hot real bullet into the gun. Otherwise nothing makes sense to me in this unfortunate event.

Jeff, I would like you to weigh in here.


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,493
Likes: 72
veteran
Offline
veteran
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,493
Likes: 72
I understand police found bins with blank and live rounds mixed together, as well as a fanny pack containing both. Another actor made the same mistake just two days before, and fired two live rounds that should have been blanks. Sounds like they substituted a gun nut for a professional armorer. But why the hell should movie sets have ANY live rounds?.


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,150
Likes: 30
K
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,150
Likes: 30
Quote
. why the hell should movie sets have ANY live rounds?.

Well that’s a good question. Apparently they were plinking in between takes but that has nothing to do with the making of the movie. So I suppose the question becomes are live rounds common on sets during the making of movies?

I have no idea.


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 10,064
Likes: 45
veteran
Offline
veteran
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 10,064
Likes: 45
I’m only reporting what I remember hearing on NPR - Which is that live rounds are used to produce a convincing muzzle flash. For years they’ve had the ability to add these flashes in post-production; they haven’t done it because it does look authentic.

Bet they’ll start doing it now, though.


Julia
“It’s the shipwreck that leads you to the magical island.”
(Trevor Noah)
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,493
Likes: 72
veteran
Offline
veteran
Joined: Feb 2006
Posts: 11,493
Likes: 72
Blank rounds give you a muzzle flash, too. The difference is the bullet part. Instead of lead with maybe some other metals included, blanks have something soft, like paper, plastic, felt, or cotton. This "non-bullet" slows down within a few feet. Of course, the explosive force can still kill at very close range.


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,953
Likes: 30
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,953
Likes: 30
All I want to point out is the fact that we've had real guns "on set" with real bullets for as long as motion pictures have existed.
Literally MILLIONS of rounds fired and through it all the number of shooting deaths in production has been remarkably rare.
Movies and television have a damn good track record on this for a reason.

Breaking Bad
Saving Private Ryan
Apocalypse Now
Full Metal Jacket
Scarface
Forrest Gump

I could fill ten pages right here if I tried to list all the movies and TV shows that used real guns with real bullets ALONG WITH "cold" prop guns.
And the reason WHY we haven't seen tons of actors and crew dropping like flies is because on an I.A.T.S.E. union set, you either follow the RULES or you're GONE in a heartbeat.

This film "RUST" was a non-union turkey and the best IATSE on set armorers turned DOWN the chance to work with Alec Baldwin BECAUSE they could see from a mile off that it was a set of giant red flags.

[Linked Image from png.pngitem.com]


"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
deepfreezefilms.com
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,953
Likes: 30
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,953
Likes: 30
PS: I am still in favor of the IA calling for an extended strike because while some feel the contract talks were a success, I do not.
Streaming compensation is still pauper territory and worst of all, the power of the union is once again diminished.
For instance, if the IA was as potent as it used to be when I WAS a member, they could have shut that entire production down in a heartbeat.

I suspect no one was in the mood for an extended walkout because of the past year of pandemic, however I still remain in favor of a strike anyway, and if not right now, next year.

[Linked Image from i.imgur.com]


"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
deepfreezefilms.com
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,150
Likes: 30
K
old hand
OP Offline
old hand
K
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 4,150
Likes: 30
OK Jeff so that is all good. But why are live rounds used on a set? I guess what I’m asking is….in what situations are they used for?


Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,953
Likes: 30
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Offline
It's the Despair Quotient!
Carpal Tunnel
Joined: Aug 2004
Posts: 15,953
Likes: 30
Originally Posted by Ken Condon
OK Jeff so that is all good. But why are live rounds used on a set? I guess what I’m asking is….in what situations are they used for?

Saves money on post, much more convincing on impact.
But you're right if you're saying it's not always necessary.
Production wanted Mel to actually SHOOT the aquarium with a live round on Lethal Weapon 2 but Mel argued that he wasn't 100% sure he could hit it in exactly the right spot for maximum effect.
Yes, he said he knew he COULD HIT the aquarium alright, but he wasn't comfortable with having other talent so close.

So they used clever editing and a squibb (remote impact charge or detonator) to crack the glass instead.



"The Best of the Leon Russell Festivals" DVD
deepfreezefilms.com
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 44,703
Likes: 46
Member
CHB-OG
Offline
Member
CHB-OG
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 44,703
Likes: 46
I said on other sites, maybe here too, but on another thread, that the round was live and one of the disgruntled set people who walked off that morning put it in the gun

gobsmacked


Contrarian, extraordinaire


Page 1 of 2 1 2

Link Copied to Clipboard
Who's Online Now
1 members (TatumAH), 28 guests, and 1 robot.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
SuZQ2, KevFilthyANML, Risky, Gladys G. Jackson, Beach Baby
6,297 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums61
Topics17,257
Posts313,150
Members6,297
Most Online294
Dec 6th, 2017
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5
(Release build 20201027)
Responsive Width:

PHP: 7.4.26 Page Time: 0.013s Queries: 36 (0.004s) Memory: 3.0290 MB (Peak: 3.2529 MB) Data Comp: Zlib Server Time: 2021-12-07 15:51:59 UTC
Valid HTML 5 and Valid CSS