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chunkstyle #338826 11/26/21 03:51 PM
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This sounds a little like "P"'s polling theory, that since 30% of left and right think the other side is destroying America, it proves neither side is destroying America and it is all about misguided or delusional thinking about the other side. Well I challenge that. So ... can you provide a short list of left wing groups of the same type of thinking described by logT about right wing groups?


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So what is your objection to investigating a campaign which tripped all over numerous Russians? Are you taking the Tucker Carlson view Russians are good, so we should support dictatorships?

Had any American campaign been inundated by Russians as the Trump campaign was, I would hope the FBI would investigate.

Durham is still investigating. Of course his goal is to disprove the Trump campaign had anything to do with Russia. I am partial to Grissom's approach when asked, what's the plan .... "Follow the evidence".

What we know for sure is Trump in plain view obstructed the Mueller investigation, and as Trump said anyone who hides behind the 5th is guilty ...


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I think the mega party partisanship of both political have given us the below.

“A deeper dive finds that 37% of Republicans feel Biden voters are the biggest enemy, just edging the 34% who feel that way about China. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats think Trump voters are the biggest threat, far and above the danger posed by all the others.”

https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pu...voters_see_each_other_as_america_s_enemy

This is their mindset. I do agree with your statement the neither side is destroying America. The destroying is done in those highly partisan minds who do think the other party is this nation’s number one enemy. But that doesn’t make it a reality. Maybe all it means is they’re not living in the real world.


It's high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first instead of their political party. For way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.
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That reply was intended for Ricks post, not yours.
Must have hit your posts reply by mistake. My bad.

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Russian hysteria seems to be leading back to the HRC campaign, DNC, and Brookings.
The timing has been sus from the beginning. Right after the Podesta emails were dropped, the publisher of that leak is being broken in a British prison while hysterical liberals seem to have forgotten all as bout the first amendment. Convenient I suppose.
Naw, I don’t need to argue with your string diagrams and time line narratives.
Unless your willing to have a look the Biden’s crookedness in the Ukraine?

Lib hysterics over crooked Republican politicians, think tanks, NGO’s or businessmen only seems to go one way, oddly. As though Libs represent the ‘soul of the nation’ and their kissing cousins, the GOP, are the headwater of all that’s corrupt in politics. Who you trying to fool?

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Sounds like you never read the Mueller Report, chunky. Did you, or did you take Bill Barr's word for it? Hmm


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Did you? I doubt it. If I were to guess, you read or listened to someone else who had claimed to.

I did listen to skeptics and used common sense. Bill Binney for starters.
Similar to WMD’s, yellow cake uranium, freedom fighters and on and on. The PMC were hysterics then. Muted defiance now.

How bout those recent revelations of the Steele dossier?
Some embarrassing indictments lately..
Lots of retractions at Bezos times, the New Yorker and New York Times.
Barr did Dem Corp a favor slow rolling the investigation. Imagine the recent indictments and revelations happening during the election…

You got stampeded.

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Jabba the Barr helped Democracy? ROTFMOL
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Maybe all it means is they’re not living in the real world
Let's start with that.

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neither side is destroying America
this requires some thinking and analysis.

You apparently believe the party which conducted an insurrection is not a Democracy destroying process. That I find remarkable. The very statement rebuts your belief neither side is trying to destroy America. The very act of insurrection is a deconstruction of the government. Wait a sec ... it just occurred to me ... you may be saying dissolution of the federal government is not the same as destroying America. hmmm .... I see your point. The Constitution is just toilet wipe, and should be disposed as soon as Trumpites have finished trampling all over it. But that is not destruction of America.

Should I mention the opener???


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If I have to rely on someone to tell me what to believe .... well .... I must have dementia. WTF is BB?

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How bout those recent revelations of the Steele dossier?
Let's see
1. one atty lied about documents to a judge ... I think that is a crime. There was no impact on SD.
2. one atty who provided info to FBI was indicted for lying about his status. There was no impact on SD.
3. one Russian indicted for lying to FBI regarding intel provided to Steele. Durham's indictment reads like it came from Trump lawyers. I'll have to wait to see the evidence. My guess is, it will be murky. But regardless, the SD was raw intel, just like any received in a war zone. Some is good and some is not so good. I don't pass judgement on the quality of intel, only that there is intel. And in spite of this, the SD still had no impact on opening an investigation into the possibility the Trump campaign was involved with Russians.

I think AG Barr was protecting himself. He saw the evidence. The investigation was legitimately predicated and conducted without bias. What was he going to report? O there was nothing to report.

I only have one opinion about the SD. There is an item which anti-SD people say proves it is all lies, is Cohen was in Prague. Cohen says he wasn't. Steele believes he was. What does the dossier say? It says the Russians BELIEVED the phone used in Prague belonged to Cohen. {Speculation: if the sourcing was good, could it be the Russians were told by the campaign that number was from high ranking member of Trump's inner circle, maybe Cohen's. Is that possible? Who knows. I find the item interesting since no one has mentioned this speculation as a possible explanation ... if it is accurate.}


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