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pdx rick #338896 11/27/21 08:25 PM
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And how many millions of republicans did that? Should we hate them all for that small deluded faction?

Never mind....

Of course we should...because they are all just that stupid and believe stupid stuff and a Republican vote should be a ticket to Prison. Because Republicans are stupid.

Only Democrats are clean and pure. My bad, for suggesting otherwise.


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Originally Posted by Greger
Actually the Mueller investigation turned up no criminal activity except the obstruction of justice charge, which was basically an early Trump gaffe when he tried to shut the investigation down...
Actually that isn't true.

Mueller DID find Trump had committed crimes, but Mueller's undestanding was the he, Mueller, wasn't given the authority to charge Trump and his role was limited in scope, and left the charging up to Congress and Mueller specifically wrote that if the Special Counsel’s Office felt they could clear the president of wrongdoing, they would have done so.

The Mueller report details multiple episodes in which there is evidence that Trump obstructed justice. The pattern of conduct and the manner in which the President sought to impede the investigation - including through one-on-one meetings with senior officials.

Despite chants of “no collusion,” the Mueller's report shows a wide-ranging conspiracy (a/k/a collusion) aimed at undermining United States democracy and aiding Trump.


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Originally Posted by Greger
And how many millions of republicans did that? Should we hate them all for that small deluded faction?

Never mind....

Of course we should...because they are all just that stupid and believe stupid stuff and a Republican vote should be a ticket to Prison. Because Republicans are stupid.

Only Democrats are clean and pure. My bad, for suggesting otherwise.
Please cite any recent history where the Republican party did ANYTHING to help the American people. Thanks! smile


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Originally Posted by pdx rick
Welp, when you walk around thinking that child abuse is happening in basements of pizza parlors (with no basement) and you bring an AR-47 to said pizza parlor to free the abused children in the basement (where there isn't one)...should you be walking around free instead of being in some loony bin?

Hmm

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No. You shouldn’t.

Should you be locking up journalist on trumped up charges from confessed liars in order to chill the 1st amendment and investigative journalism.
Should you be using authoritarian, red baiting tactics on the public in order to silence your critics and manufacture compliance of the public to encircle Russia with NATO troops and now the very real threat of staging nukes on its border with Poland?
Should liberals be supporting neonazis elements in the Ukraine, as we have supported rightwing crypto fascist regimes since the last ones were defeated in WW2?

As long as we’re asking questions of the one right wing political party in the U.S., we might ask questions of the other.

Is that not fair?

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Chunky, which journalist would that be? Hmm


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The reporter that liberals praised for his honesty of the Iraq war and turned on him for his honesty of the Democratic Party. But journalistic truth was never a virtue for liberals. It’s who makes them look good.
Julian Assange of course. For ‘progressives’ not a peep on him. Liberals are funny like that.

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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
The reporter that liberals praised for his honesty of the Iraq war and turned on him for his honesty of the Democratic Party. But journalistic truth was never a virtue for liberals. It’s who makes them look good.
Julian Assange of course. For ‘progressives’ not a peep on him. Liberals are funny like that.
A past signature line of mine was, “You can’t solve a problem until you understand what the problem is.” This implies that solving the problem is an objective, and that understanding the problem involves figuring out what can be done about it. In my experience, the pursuit of solutions leads to many unexpected corners of psychology and mechanics, which change the pursuit.

Which has brought me to my present signature line, and my question for you - what new model are you proposing? Or are you not looking for solutions?


You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
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On the subject of problems and solutions, does Bonhoeffer present some insight into a problem? If he does, are there fresh insights into how to deal with the problem?

In my experience, which includes lots of interactive experiments, there is a very real force field around “stupid” people that I have not been able to pierce with any type of rational, honest, respectful, polite conversation. I have not seen any cracks in the armor of “stupidity”. At the same time I have paid attention to the possibility that I was engaged in the same behavior, and at times I was.

To date, this problem appears to have no possible proactive solutions, and I expect it will run its destructive course as has happened so many times in history.


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Operation warp speed.
The repeal of SALT.
Brokering the end of the Afghan war.

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Socialize capitalism.
More horizontal, less vertical society.
I’m repeating myself.

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