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Apparently its against the law to lie on the internet (really!) I find that one very very strange indeed as lying on the internet is one of the main reasons we have a bunch of ongoing disasters. there's gotta be another law that supercedes?

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2011/11/15/142356399/is-lying-on-the-internet-illegal

https://www.wklaw.com/lying-on-the-internet-a-federal-crime/

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The internet is nothing but a big piece of paper that anyone can write on.

And anyone can see it. You can write fact or fiction.

What I write is mostly bullsh*t.

The internet is a place where people can freely gather and discuss ideas. Not all of the ideas are good ones. But most of them aren't criminal.

Someone said once that the good thing about the internet is that it makes everyone a publisher...

and the bad thing about the internet is that it makes everyone a publisher.


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It remains against the law!

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So when I email my friend and lie about why I'm not coming to his party I could be arrested...?


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I think it comes down to injuring somebody. Just like in real life, if you tell somebody a lie to defraud them, it's a crime. The lie is part of the fraud. If you lie about somebody or some company in real life, and know it's a lie, then you can be charged with libel if they can prove injury. Doing it on-line is just like doing it in real-life.

You can't just say it was on social media or email, and get a free pass for criminality or responsibility. You CAN say it was obviously a parody, or a joke, and if the average person would see it that way, you get away with it.


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Email is private. As far as I am concerned, however, most of the reasons against vaccinations are illegal but, I guess, nobody really cares. There are a lot of that kind of stuff and its just wrong. The big lie of Trump is also, as far as I can tell, worth a law suit (I think there is one).

I also believe that social media needs to be regulated. Hell, even the owner of Facebook has been consistent with his request for boundaries from government but he can't even get that, let alone anything else out of gov (except, of your a LOT of whining). I really don't understand that one. One of the main things that gov does is regulate. They also regulate with a will to the point of pissing off a lot of folks. In other words they seem to like to regulate - just not social media which is a source of ongoing trouble which may actually bring down the entire nation. I guess they just don't consider that to be important?

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Email is private. As far as I am concerned

So you get a free pass to lie all you want on the internet as long as it's in an email? Libel, fraud, and the intent to harm someone only counts if it's on Facebook? Or Twitter?

Not America Online or Google or Yahoo mail?


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No, same rules apply: Email fraud is actually stricter, because then you are breaking federal wire fraud laws. But in general, if your email lie is part of a fraud, then it's illegal. If it's an attempt to get the recipient to break a law, then you can be charged with conspiracy the commit that crime. Doesn't matter if it's private. Law enforcement can access it unless it's encrypted. Even then, they can do some nasty stuff if you fail to produce the password. But of course, the Fifth Amendment applies to passwords too. Ultimately, they can harass you, keep you in jail for a bit, etc. But once you get to court, you can just invoke the 5th. You just admitted you did something illegal, though, so prepare to have investigators looking at everything they can.


We're flying electric helicopters on Mars yet you can't turn on your clothes dryer in Texas. That's because scientists are in charge of Mars, and Republicans are in charge of Texas.
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Some people might think their snail mail is private too...lol

With the advent of instantaneous communication via the internet the entire world became better informed. The entire world became one big water cooler.

Certain people, or groups of people don't much like certain other people freely assembling and freely speaking among themselves without regulation.

China and jgw among them.


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My problem with all of this is that nobody is being legally challenged. Anti-vaccers, Trumpies, etc. are all breaking the law when they try and foist their lies off as truth and there are so many of them they are almost creating truths that are not true at all. Hell, Trump now has his own TV station, and social group "wish-tv", based on lies and it just keeps chugging along with, literally, millions of viewers! What we are talking about, here, is the simple fact that we have a law on the books which could actually do some good for the nation which is being completely ignored by EVERYBODY!

I sometimes suspect that while there are such laws there is something about them that, for some reason, makes them impossible to utilize or enforce. I don't know what that might be - anybody?

One would think, for instance, that somebody would bring a suit against Trump for his big lie but nobody (individual or government) has, as far as I know. The Vaccine thing is another one with huge followings even though its all based on lies. Both threaten the nation, in one way or another, yet silence remains.

Actually, I really think this is a job for the Justice Department but they too have been silent. Same with all the state Justice folks as well. They too have been silent. I find the whole thing very, very, strange. I have been waiting for a year, for the Biden administration to actually do something about it but ...........

I just edited the above and sent it to all my elected, including the president. It will be interesting to see what comes back (if anything but requests for money)

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