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jgw #339317 12/07/21 11:51 PM
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Why do we call a car a car...a bus a bus, why do we use the words we use? Can we just make up new ones for the ones we don't like?

What word should we use...? Shall socialism henceforth be known as Purple Barneyism and everyone will think it's cute and not hate it?

Shall the word "social" be stricken from the language?

But capitalism is entirely okay because it has brought us global warming, rising seas, and everything you see in the political divide. Every single thing you complain about is the direct result of capitalist policy.

Millennials don't remember WW2.

Z Gen doesn't remember Vietnam. It could be Antietam for all they know.

Socialism is Switzerland nowadays. Socialism is Sweden, Finland, Norway...

Socialism is anyplace they have socialized healthcare, strong labor unions, fair minimum wages, workplace safety standards...most of the free world to one degree or another...

Remember...we are relics of a former time.

A former century.


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Thank you for making my point!

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In the delusional Trump universe, he did not lose the election, It was stolen from him. During the interim he has enlisted loyal supporters to write voting laws which would result in favorable results for Trump when he runs in 2024. And .... should that not be enough, those same laws include the nuclear option. Yes, should it be reported Trump loses again, the results will be sent to Trump loyalist committees which will nullify the results and declare Trump winner for just cause i.e. (non-existent) voter fraud.

So it won't matter what the margin of the loss would be, Trump will still prevail.

For those who think, it couldn't happen in America, remember you thought an insurrection could not happen in America.


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Originally Posted by jgw
Trying to explain how bad "socialist" is considered is a complete and utter waste of time to those who insist on using the word. Its really weird. Those who favor the 'title' seem to be more interested in defending the word than what they think it defines. The battles over this have been going on, here, for a very long time. Every now and then I will dive in when I have nothing better to do but I know from the offset its a complete and utter waste of time.

In other words there are folks determined to use the word even though it does them no favor. Its almost like the logic behind the Anti-vaccers. The difference, however, is that nobody dies.

I have never seen you once have an adult discussion of this subject. Preferring to use old propaganda and falsehoods.

Socialism is as varied as capitalism but in one way is this country different than most all others. It has actively sought to destroy any examples of or meaning attached to socialism or socialist thought. You can participate in that behavior or simply learn what some of the hulabaloo is about.

I subscribe to the notion that we need some kind of organized institutions to make society a functioning proposition. I also believe that those institutions have to justify their purpose to those that voluntarily subject themselves to those institutions. If they can’t justify their themselves, they should be reformed or gotten rid of.
Seems pretty reasonable. I’ve yet to find anyone to argue the premise. It’s one school of socialist thought, among many.

Similar to how capitalism has many schools of thought. Like when people are starving, our institutions see fit to give the fat guy all the food to deal with the deprivation. That is how I would describe our current form of capitalism. Look no further than how our institutions have reacted to the pandemic

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Originally Posted by rporter314
In the delusional Trump universe, he did not lose the election, It was stolen from him. During the interim he has enlisted loyal supporters to write voting laws which would result in favorable results for Trump when he runs in 2024. And .... should that not be enough, those same laws include the nuclear option. Yes, should it be reported Trump loses again, the results will be sent to Trump loyalist committees which will nullify the results and declare Trump winner for just cause i.e. (non-existent) voter fraud.

So it won't matter what the margin of the loss would be, Trump will still prevail.

For those who think, it couldn't happen in America, remember you thought an insurrection could not happen in America.

Blueanon behaved in the same way with their loss in 2016. The difference was it had the support of the the intelligence community and media it aligned itself with.

My guess is that will be the play for the next election. Yet another most important election of our lifetimes. We really want to do nice things but we got this Leibermanchin or parliamentarian or whathavya stopping us. Don’t look at the extra 30 billion on top of the 1 trillion we flip to the war and covert departments every year..

We’d really like to stem this fascist tide but our hands are tied to do anything meaningful to broaden or base of support. We can only scare you.

Been watching this performance since the Clintons were in office.

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Originally Posted by jgw
Trying to explain how bad "socialist" is considered is a complete and utter waste of time to those who insist on using the word. Its really weird. Those who favor the 'title' seem to be more interested in defending the word than what they think it defines. The battles over this have been going on, here, for a very long time. Every now and then I will dive in when I have nothing better to do but I know from the offset its a complete and utter waste of time.

In other words there are folks determined to use the word even though it does them no favor. Its almost like the logic behind the Anti-vaccers. The difference, however, is that nobody dies.

I have never seen you once have an adult discussion of this subject. Preferring to use old propaganda and falsehoods.

Socialism is as varied as capitalism but in one way is this country different than most all others. It has actively sought to destroy any examples of or meaning attached to socialism or socialist thought. You can participate in that behavior or simply learn what some of the hulabaloo is about.

I subscribe to the notion that we need some kind of organized institutions to make society a functioning proposition. I also believe that those institutions have to justify their purpose to those that voluntarily subject themselves to those institutions. If they can’t justify their themselves, they should be reformed or gotten rid of.
Seems pretty reasonable. I’ve yet to find anyone to argue the premise. It’s one school of socialist thought, among many.

Similar to how capitalism has many schools of thought. Like when people are starving, our institutions see fit to give the fat guy all the food to deal with the deprivation. That is how I would describe our current form of capitalism. Look no further than how our institutions have reacted to the pandemic
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Yep, it's as much a waste of time trying to explain sewage to rural red clay types, that figure "straight piping" your toilet to the yard is just fine, as long as you are uphill from your neighbor.

ttps://www.al.com/news/2021/07/lowndes-county-group-loses-2m-federal-grant-to-address-sewage-woes.html

Frankly, its getting pretty tiresome paying for sewage projects for states that continue suckage on solvent states that actually pay their own way in the nanny states, while getting called parasites, by tax dodging FREEDOM states.
What ever happened to those live free or die libertarians who claim to want to deal with there own SH!T? Maybe they are weakened by hookworm or Covid.

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everything following that word I immediately suspected was nonsense.

Let me explain. Q is a self proclaimed prophet, who is/was privy to all the dirty secrets of the {{{{{{DEEP STATE}}}}}}. Blue is an ultra right wing intellectually challenged neologism, meant to simulate the real conspiracy minded Q. Your reference to the Clinton's is ludicrous. In recent years it has been confirmed the well funded right has been in a subversion campaign to align the federal government with their personal monied interests, and religious ideologies. No where can I find such admissions from well funded left wing advocates of social change. It is the propaganda of the right which routinely creates the fiction out of whole cloth from their deeply paranoid fears of monsters from the left (THE DEEP STATE).

So why appeal to right wing conspiracy theories about the left????


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Blueanon spent 4 years in Russiaphobia conspiracies.
Dem Corp is about as left as Amazon is a worker run cooperative.

Just a prediction: ‘Dem Corp is all that’s standing between you and fascist. Dem Corp 2024!’

Could be wrong. Maybe they’ll do something and run on it like a chicken in every pot sorta thing. Haven’t seen it yet though.

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Originally Posted by chunkstyle
Could be wrong. Maybe they’ll do something and run on it like a chicken in every pot sorta thing. Haven’t seen it yet though.

there's none so blind as those who will not see


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Wassup Tat?
You got reciepts?
Don’t be shy, let’s see em.

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