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Apparently there are no fewer than 8 law suits against Trump over this and that and they are starting to appear now. I suspect that there are at least 4 times that in the works and most of these are from individuals or small groups. We have yet to hear from Justice but, I think, they too are going to have a couple of suits before long.

In the past Trump has been able to string out suits to the point where they become moot for one reason or another. Hopefully, the courts will recognize this and, again hopefully, they will put a stop to that one.

There are also a bunch of suits against him to do with bills he never paid before he even ran for president. As far as I know none have been settled. Remember, before he was president he could no longer just hire people to do jobs for him unless he pre-paid as everybody seemed to know he didn't pay his bills. I wonder how his base is going to deal with the simple fact that Trump simple doesn't pay his bills to people who did work for him. The man has a long and known history of screwing people over and, hopefully, a lot of it is going to be brought to the attention of his base.

I think there is a saying; "what goes around comes around" Hopefully, its Trump's time to learn about that.

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I see North Carolina voters have filed a challenge with the North Carolina State Board of Elections, over Madison Cawthorn's right to run for reelection. Seems he violated the 14th Amendment! Whoda thunk it?

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“Publicly available evidence, including Rep. Cawthorn’s statements and reports that he or his office coordinated with the Jan. 6 organizers, establish reasonable suspicion that Rep. Cawthorn aided the insurrection, thereby disqualifying him from federal office,” said Ron Fein, legal director of Free Speech For People.

It would actually disqualify him for ANY elected office ever, unless congress votes by supermajority to restore his right.

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and THE BASE says .... liberal lies

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Liberal delusions. There is a reason DoJ is taking so long when dealing with the "insurrectionists" and their enablers. I don't think the legalities are as cut and dried as many liberals believe they are. While I look at it in broad brush strokes of a layman's understanding of the English language, that does not mean anything to the courts.

I don't think it will go anywhere.


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I agree but, if he starts getting convicted of this and that I have to assume that will be based on facts that can be proven. Even that will not persuade all of them but, little by little?

One of the problems is that the republicans, apparently, are fighting any and all appointments by the Democrats. This, of course, works in favor of Trump who has a very long history of stringing out court cases as long as possible and I also suspect that the courts are flooded with cases without enough judges. As far as I can tell I think we are missing close to 10% of unfilled seats. The Dems have put up twenty some but the Republicans are fighting every one of them.

The Dems REALLY have to buckle down and aim at winning which, as far as I can tell, they haven't even vaguely tried to do yet. They need messages that work, need to speak with one voice, needs to stop promising and start producing, etc.

Oh: https://www.google.com/search?channel=fs&client=ubuntu&q=number+of+unfilled+federal+courts

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Michigan AG today referred the forged "official" elector document filed by Republicans who tried to get themselves appointed even though the state's election was certified for the Democratic slate of electors, to the US Justice Department. This forgery of an official government document is certainly illegal in state laws, but since it happened in five states at almost the same time, it looks like a Conspiracy to Defraud the United States. Everybody who signed one of these documents could be indicted by the feds. And the penalty for this crime is not 30 days of community service!

The organizers who told them to do it could be indicted as well, even though they didn't sign up as electors. This is going to be another "shake the tree" exercise with some harsh sentences prompting cooperation by other defendants to name names.


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forged "official" elector document
Actually I do not think those 5 documents are forgeries.

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a forged or copied document
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the crime of falsely and fraudulently making or altering a document
RM showed genuine documents and the five fakes appear nothing like the real thing. Thus they were not making, or altering, or copying real documents. It would be similar to someone who printed Monopoly money and tried to use it as real money. No forgery involved.

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Forgery is a federal crime when the person knowingly creates or possesses false documents such as money, postage stamps, military documents, letters patent, money orders, or other government-related instruments
Now the intent of this is someone who tried to make facsimiles of the above with intent. The documents these clowns signed are not facsimiles, not even close representations, however, I suspect the very act of trying to defraud a legal federal proceeding by whatever means is a federal crime.

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18 U.S.C. § 371—Conspiracy to Defraud the United States
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[i]f two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose.
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Hass v. Henkel, 216 U.S. 462 (1910)
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The statute is broad enough in its terms to include any conspiracy for the purpose of impairing, obstructing or defeating the lawful function of any department of government . . . (A)ny conspiracy which is calculated to obstruct or impair its efficiency and destroy the value of its operation and reports as fair, impartial and reasonably accurate, would be to defraud the United States by depriving it of its lawful right and duty of promulgating or diffusing the information so officially acquired in the way and at the time required by law or departmental regulation.

My take is the states may not be able to do anything, but the federal government has a case of conspiracy.

One of the state AG's said she had heard (unsubstantiated) that the people who signed the document in her state were approached by Trump Campaign. I see the long arm of the law reaching into the campaign, but not necessarily to Trump himself. Remember Sen Scott? He was CEO of FL's largest health care company, but said he was unaware of the huge amount of fraud his company perpetrated against the US government. He got off.

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No disrespect rporter, but it's a good thing you don't work for the DoJ. smile

Everyone else considers those five documents to be forgeries.

When you pass-off a likeness of an object as the real one - that's forgery.

SEE: Art forgeries

Hmm

Yeah..those involved in substituting the electors need to pay for their crime. Bow


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Originally Posted by rporter314
Liberal delusions. There is a reason DoJ is taking so long when dealing with the "insurrectionists" and their enablers. I don't think the legalities are as cut and dried as many liberals believe they are. While I look at it in broad brush strokes of a layman's understanding of the English language, that does not mean anything to the courts.

I don't think it will go anywhere.
This post didn't age well. smile

Google: Oath Keepers charged with conspiracy

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All the Senators who voted against certifying the electors were technically part of Trump's election fraud conspiracy as well. They knew damn well that all those lawsuits were dismissed as nonsense and investigations found no fraud.

Plenty of co-conspirators at the state level as well. For example, the Republicans in the Arizona State Senate. At the least, they should have to pay for wasting all that taxpayer money on their fantasies.


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