Issodhos, I don't see the need for sarcasm, I had hoped you would see that you state things as though they are the eternal truth. When I or someone else either asks for substantiation or posits an alternative "truth", you find a way to ignore it.

But the thread was and is intended to give us an opportunity to get at these basic elements in a real discussion. All I am saying is that the science of human development does not support your assertion that the state evolved to protect individual rights. I suggest the evidence is the exact opposite and that only within the last couple of centuries has that concept emerged.

To me this is important, because of your claim that rights are "inalienable" as contrasted with my claim that rights are dependent upon a structure of enforcement.

Last edited by Phil Hoskins; 05/22/09 04:25 PM.

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