But Greger, you have stated something that is not true. The United States was never based upon libertarian philosophy, for as has been pointed out several times here the founders specifically avoided such a proposition.

This nation was formed out of necessity, as are all others. In doing so, those who shaped it adopted an enlightened pragmatism, one with a lot of "we" and "common" and other "collectivist" terms.

The fact that the Bill of Rights cam after points to a concern they may have gone too far in the minds of some, but not that we were founded as an "individualist" state.

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