Originally Posted By: NW Ponderer
That is why I started this thread, to create more of a framework for discussion. Let's go back to Representative Ocasio-Cortez and Senator Warren. Do either have a vision of how to proceed in our fractious society? Are those visions mature enough to provide a roadmap? Are the forces they inspire able to be controlled? Are their visions sufficiently different?

Both Perlstein and Sunkara eventually hit on the fundamental need for people to have to be in a position of "shared sacrifice" before either system really works. Both NWP and Greger implied that neither system actually exists in any pure intellectual form - I agree. I think that a debate between "capitalism" and "socialism" is therefore impossible and a distraction.

A more useful approach might be to first recognize that the problems are cultural. How possible is cultural change? How much of culture is born of intrinsic human nature? How much is taught? Of course, the 30' hardened concrete wall that is a barrier to changing a culture is a serious problem. It is a problem when people have 'freedom' (free market capitalism), and it it a problem when people are 'regulated' (dictatorial socialism).

The only possibility that I see, and it is a slim possibility, is for more enlightened people to figure out how to set the stage for the masses to choose to be more cooperative/collaborative as the obvious, natural, and right best option.

Now that I have sufficiently identified the opportunity, I would appreciate it if you all would get going on a plan for implementation... cool

The Green New Deal could be a platform for implementation, but it needs to be very cleverly used.

You never change things by fighting the existing reality.
To change something, build a new model that makes the old model obsolete.
R. Buckminster Fuller