Originally Posted By: logtroll
I started it to try and find another way into discussion about "both sides" being the same. It's a complex subject needing innovative thinking in order to get beyond the unscalable wall that such an on/off viewpoint places on how to get any change done.

Not sure what your after frankly. Why donít you simply get to your point instead of all this innovation thinking?

What do you think the problems are?